Difference between revisions of "Talk:Annotation of representative texts from Lule Sami"

"In Finnish grammar, the momentane is a verb aspect indicating that an occurrence is sudden 
and short-lived. [...] Verbs with momentane markers are considered independent words, 
and native speakers rarely analyze them, but do synthesize them. Often the parent verb 
is not in use, leaving only the derived forms such as the momentane."

These words cover Sami, too. (Kristin 21:41, 9 January 2009 (CET))<br.>

Låjdåstijma gállasjvuohttaj Buda girkkon bårggemánon 30. bv. 2008.

“We got married (entered matrimony) in Bodø church August 30 2008 ”

Låjdåstijma
låjdåsti	j	ma
enter	PAST	1PLDU
Vtr

gállasjvuohttaj
gállasj	vuohtta	j
married	NMLZ	ILLSG
N

Buda

Bodø

Np

girkkon
girkko	n
church	INESSSG
N

bårggemánon
bårggemáno	n
August	INESSSG
N

30.

30th

NUM

bv.

day

N

2008

NUM

Here we have: baje-di-htte: up Nspat > V rise (Kristin 16:57, 9 January 2009 (CET)) <br.>

bajedihtte / åjvijdihtte / ja bigodihtte / sliehpájdihtte

“rise / your heads / and discover / your cheast cloths”

bajedihtte
baje	di	htte
up		2pDUIMP
Vtr

åjvijdihtte
åjvi	jdi	htte
head	ACCPL	2pDUPOSS
N

ja

and

CONJC

bigodihtte
bigo	di	htte
open	ADJ>V	2pDUIMP
Vtr

sliehpájdihtte
sliehpá	jdi	htte
cheast_cloth	ACCPL	2pDUPOSS
N

- - Context for poem bajedihtte

Does this look ok? I have copied the TEXT in the Text editor:

Stig Gælok Urheim

tsåhke ja vájmmo <br.> (page 86)

Th. Blaasværs Forlag 1994 <br.> © Stig Riemmbe Gælok

bajedihtte <br.> åjvijgihtte <br.> ja bigodihtte <br.> sliehpájdihtte <br.>

Translation__________________________Kristin Lindbach

rise <br.> your heads <br.> and discover <br.> your chest cloths* <br.>

"sliehppa" is a part of the traditional costume, a chest cloth covering the opening in the front.<br.> See photo at <br.>

http://www.typecraft.org/tc2wiki/User:Svennegil (Kristin 11:17, 9 January 2009 (CET))

- - IMPORTANT: Adequacy of the following poem

"Vuonak": vuonaga li nievres ulmutja

Svenn Egil: DETTE DIKTET SYNES JEG IKKE PASSER PÅ TC. Det er en del personangrep mot en spesiell slekt i Sverige. Anbefaler derfor at diktet strykes fra denne listen.

Yes, that sounds like a good reason to take this poem out of the list. Could you please briefly talk with Kristin

about this. (Dorothee 13:25, 27 November 2008 (CET))

I do not agree<br.>

The poem goes:

the fjordlanders are bad people <br.> they explained <br.> their life was so much better <br.> they believed

old people's thoughts <br.> and theirs who live <br.> on the other side of the wound <br.> the iron breasts have cut <br.> into our mountains

a fjordlander am I <br.> raised on mutton <br.> and pollock

a fjordlander

This poem says something about the feelings a fjordlander gets when Samis on the other side of the border - the inlanders - are debasing his way of life - because it is strange for them.

This poem shows a part of the Sami culture that is the reality for many Samis, not only the fjordlanders in Tysfjord.

The poem says nothing about a particular family.

The poem carries a universal theme that everyone can understand.

What is not so easy to understand, is the iron breasts. I believe it is the railway from Narvik to Kiruna he is thinking about. (Kristin 12:30, 9 January 2009 (CET))

- - "Niellja álmmuksubttsasa: Giehttjit áddjá goaden

[Nordic folk tale] Translated material used in Bruce Morén’s project in phonology"

Denne delen tar ikke Bruce ansvar for. Han har bare digitalisert teksten fra en bok gitt ut gjennom et forlag sørpå. Jeg tror ikke vi har noen rettigheter. (Svenn-Egil)

Ok, good to know. I think we should asked Bruce which kind of permission was needed for him. As far a I know one also needs to get a permission from the publisher

when one digitalizes text from a book. (Dorothee 10:46, 26 November 2008 (CET))

Tillatelsene skulle vel være i orden nå for det skriftlige materialet? (Kristin 12:40, 9 January 2009 (CET))

- - Please look that he following entry repeated below:

"Bájkkeávijssa NuorttaSállto, from the local newspaper"

I assume that Bájkkeávijssa NuorttaSállto is the name of the newspaper. Hm... It would be good

to say in which town or 'kommune' the newspaper is published. Lokalavis for Hamarøy, Steigen og Tysfjord

Also in the following entry we mention a 'local' newspaper, but again it would be better to say where the newspaper is published Lokalavis for Hamarøy, Steigen og Tysfjord

Lokalavisa NordSalten/Bájkkeávijssa NuorttaSállto is the name of the weekly paper. We could add that it covers the area North Salten, which is the municipalities Hamarøy, Tysfjord and Steigen. (Kristin 12:40, 9 January 2009 (CET))

- - Låjdåstibme Marriage -- Advertisement in a local newspaper by Kirsti Guvsám
? Finner ikke teksten

uups! - I will fix it! (Kristin 12:50, 9 January 2009 (CET))

- - See also the following entry below:

Is Life and Time really the translation of "Viessom" ? as in:

Viessom: Bivddo stuorra nuorreiellijs "Life and Time": The catching of large sea mammals Exibition text from the Arran Lule Sami Centre Museum, www.arran.no

Ja, jeg mener det. Viessom betyr: liv, livsstil, livsførsel; levetid; tilværelse; livsform, levemåte, jf. iellem

- - I found in one of the entries the following:

nom > jákta, gen > jávta, = jekt (seilfartøy) jacht convoy

I am not so sure what is meant with jacht convoy something having to do with hunting perhaps?

Jekt (seilfartøy) i denne sammenhengen beskrives utstillingen, når datidens fiskebåter (seilfartøy) seilet sammet, som en slags konvoi, ut mot havet. Dette må vel kanskje oversettes til fiskebåt eller seilbåt. Det er i allefall flere fiskefartøyer med seil det er snakk om her.
- Dette er ikke riktig. Ei jekt er et transportskip. Jektene ble brukt til å føre tørrfisk til Bergen og andre nødvendighetsvarer nordover. (Kristin 22:01, 9 January 2009 (CET))

A jekt is not possible to translate into English. We can compare it with the cog Photo og a cog 1 Photo of a cog 2 [ Bremen Cog model ship] used by the Hanseatic tradesmen, but there are many differences. (Kristin 12:59, 9 January 2009 (CET))

- - I never heard of a

Vet ikke helt hva det menes ? Finner ikke teksten.

Fishing pollock

what is that? :o

(Dorothee 11:17, 26 November 2008 (CET))

It is called sei in Norwegian pollack It is also called saithe pollock (Kristin 12:50, 9 January 2009 (CET))

@@ Line 2: / Line 2: @@
 (I lost a link... the search did not feel waisted when I did this work... Kristin)
+[http://www.infonuorra.no/article.php?articleID=9171 Niehko guodtjasij (2007-01-19)]
+[http://www.infonuorra.no/article.php?articleID=11534 Jahke lånudimoahppen (2008-02-12)]
 [http://www.infonuorra.no/article.php?articleID=5594 DSJ'a ådå jådediddje (2005-11-01)]
@@ Line 113: / Line 115: @@
 [http://www.infonuorra.no/article.php?articleID=685 Sidá gus dån liehket sáme oahpestiddjen? (2004-06-06)]
-[http://www.infonuorra.no/article.php?articleID=11844 Sidá gus ålggorijkan studerit?]
+[http://www.infonuorra.no/article.php?articleID=11844 Sidá gus ålggorijkan studerit? (2008-04-08)]
-[http://www.infonuorra.no/article.php?articleID=11548 Åhpadusfálaldahka - media ja guládallam]
+[http://www.infonuorra.no/article.php?articleID=11548 Åhpadusfálaldahka - media ja guládallam (2008-02-14)]